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| Start here > | Glycon | Simon | Apollonius of Tyana | Pythagoras | Orpheus |
| Isis / Osiris | Dionysus | Zalmoxis | Kore | Samothrace | |
| Heroes | Attis | Adonis | Mithras | Other godmen |
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Chances are you came to this page pretty quick after you found POCM. Most people do. After all, to find out if Jesus really is a copy of other ancient Gods, the thing to do is study the other Gods' myths for virgin births and crucifixions, right?
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First of all, Mithras wasn't born of a virgin on December 25th, and many other Jesus-and-other-ancient-God life event similarities are also phony. Made up. Not found in the ancient sources. If you've heard them, what you heard was outdated mythicist scholarship from around the late 1800s, or modern amateur enthusiasm, or internet urban legend. My rule of thumb is, if a claim about ancient religions is not supported by ancient evidence, don't believe it. In all of ancient literature, there is no event-by-event analogue of Jesus. Here's why ... |
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What you'll discover at POCM is, Christianity did not borrow myths, it borrowed ideas about Gods. The ancient people who first worshiped Jesus knew what a God was, and they believed Jesus was one. On account of which, the stories they told about Him are full of ancient God stylings. Here's POCM's challenge. You've got to let yourself see that Jesus' meaning—a God—came first, His "facts"—his God-property facts — came later, made up to fit the ancient meaning of "God." Go loose, close your eyes, breath deep. Got it yet? It's not easy at first.
The first people who believed Jesus was a God already knew what properties Gods had. And when they came to tell about Jesus' holy life, they naturally told it the way they saw it, with Jesus as a God, with the standard God properties. Jesus came from Heaven. Check. To Earth Check. Via a magical God-mortal birth. Check. In fulfillment of prophesy. Check. Heralded by magic God-sent dreams. Check. He did miracles. Check. He brought salvation. Check. Jesus is a new version of an old idea. Jesus was a new Pagan God. Jesus' apologist's impulse here is to see the "new God" business as a language trick. Our precious Jesus is a God of an entirely different sort than their gods were gods. Same word, different meanings. Who's right? There's a way to tell, because we know exactly what properties Pagans gave to their made up Pagan Gods. Here's how...
You'll discover Glycon was not a xeroxed event by event copy of any Pagan God. Alexander invented new myths for his new God, but he kept the old God properties. Prophesies made and fulfilled. Divine birth. God-sent dreams. Heaven. Hell. Miracles: healing the sick, raising the dead. Back then, when people invented new Gods, these are the properties they gave them. When we look at our holy Jesus, we see the same properties Alexander gave Glycon. Prophesies made and fulfilled. Divine birth. God-sent dreams. Heaven. Hell. Miracles. Healing the sick, raising the dead. We see the goodies that ancients everywhere associated with Gods. Our precious Jesus is trimmed out with exactly the same God properties as the other Pagan Gods.
Like the ancient snake-God Glycon, the ancient God Jesus is a product of His time and place. Seeing what Pagan Gods looked like
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The Accord and Dew were new arrangements of old ideas. Some new stuff, but mostly old. |
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So as you read through this Pagan Christs section of POCM, don't look for myth by myth born-in-a-manger-in-Bethlehem, on-December-25th, of-an-unmarried-virgin-named-Mary, with-shepherds-singing-outside precursors of Jesus. Look for the religious ideas expressed in the myths. |
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Greg, I just wanted to write to tell you how much I appreciate and enjoy your Pagan Origins site. I have read many sites that exaggerate the connections between older gods and Jesus, and I have read many that deny any connection at all, so it’s really nice to just get the facts (including the sketchiness of it all) and to be able to draw our own conclusions. The fact is that no Christian is going to dig through the ancient texts, and your site is laid out so nicely that it’s quite easy to read through the data. I personally DO read through and ancient texts when I can get ahold of them, and it always makes me smile when I read stuff that could just as easily have come directly from the Judeo-Christian bibles – but was written millennia before! But you save me the trouble of having to compile it all myself!
Well anyway, this is my first “fan letter.” Thanks again for such a nicely arranged site. Patrick Cowden |
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