Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth

B borrowed a copper kettle from A. After he returned it, A sued him because the kettle now had a big hole in it. At trial B's defense was:

First, I never borrowed a kettle,
second, the kettle had a hole in it already and
third, I gave the kettle back undamaged.

Sigmund Freud, Jokes and the Unconscious

B's arguments contradict each other. Freud's insight was that the contradictions tell you something about B's (maybe unconscious) motivation. B wants to escape paying for the kettle.

In real life the insight is that folks whose arguments contradict each other probably have an agenda they're not coming out with.

To this day, self contradicting "reasoning" is called Kettle Logic. And it still tells you there's a hidden agenda. Thanks Sigmund.

By the way

Does the fact someone uses kettle logic mean they are a bad person, a liar maybe? Nope. It just means they're human. We can still be friends.

But kettle logic is worth spotting, because it points up hidden agendas.

Different reasoning for us and them
You should also spot an agenda when somone applies different reasoning to similar facts: Christianity is different from Dionysus-ism, therefore Christianity did not borrow from Dionysus-ism. Christianity is different from Judaism, but that does not mean Christianity did not borrow from Judaism.

This analysis contradicts itself: either differences disprove borrowing, or they don't. When people use reasons that contradict each other, they generally have an agenda. Agenda-driven judgments are not to be trusted.

 

Kettle Logic and the Christ myth
Watch for believing scholars who argue:

1. Jesus is different from the Pagan godmen. For example: Christian rebirth and salvation are completely different from Pagan rebirth and salvation—we know this because some guy writing a novel about being turned into a jackass says "rebirth" and "salvation" instead of "eternal rebirth" and "salvation." 

2. Jesus came sooner than the Pagan godmen—they copied Him.

 

1. The Pagan godmen are just very ancient "vegetation Gods" who die in the winter and are reborn in the spring. Jesus isn't a vegetation god.

2. Jesus came sooner than the Pagan godmen—they copied Him.

 

1. There were no dying and rising Pagan Gods.

2. The dying and rising Pagan Godmen were "vegetation Gods" who die in the winter and are reborn in the spring. Jesus isn't a vegetation god.

 

1. Pagan - Christain similarities are due to parallel development explained by the different religions' similar cultural situations.

 

"The use of identical and similar words, gestures, rites in the Christian and the Hellenistic cults does not imply derivation of one from the other..... they are simply usages that the various cults drew quite independently from daily life."
[Hugo Rahner, The Christian Mystery and the Pagan Mysteries, in The Mysteries; Papers from the Eranos Yearbooks]

POCM quotes modern scholars

2. Borrowing was impossible—Galilee and Jerusalem were Jewish enclaves. The early Christians were not affected by Hellenism because they were isolated from Hellenism.

 

 

 

'When we open the Septuagint and the New Testament we find at once a strange vocabulary . . . Such usages are the product of an enclosed world living its own life, a ghetto culturally and linguistically if not geographically
[ AD Nock. Early Gentile Christianity and Its Hellenistic Background (NY, 1964)] 1:344]

POCM quotes modern scholars

1 Christianity is different from Dionysus-ism, therefore it didn't borrow. The Any-Difference-Proves-No-Borrowing rule. OK. Maybe. Maybe not. We can discuss the point. But believers often also argue that..

2 Christianity is different from Judaism, and it did borrow from Judaism. The Christian three-headed God is different from Judaism's one-headed God. Christian salvation is different from Jewish salvation. Christian baptism is different from Jewish baptism. The Christian Eucharist is different from Judaism's Eucharist—does Judaism even have baptism and a Eucharist?

Apply the reasoning of the believing scholars' Any-Difference-Proves-No-Borrowing rule to Judaism, and you learn that Christianity is free of the taint of Jewish origins. Which is maybe why you never hear any believing scholar apply the believing scholars' Any-Difference-Proves-No-Borrowing rule to Judaism. Doesn't give the answer they want. Doesn't fit their agenda.

When someone uses different reason for us and them, you should recognize he has an agenda.

 
1 Christianity and Paganisms were way way different.

2 Christianity and Paganism were so similar that Christian sacraments fit right in with Pagan theologies.